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I went in a hard rain to see the Stints to Kintai. Two ponds were partly dried, one on North and the one closest to Minge. Waders were quite a lot. Thanks to Vytas, he consulted me about the south ponds because in the pooring rain it was difficult and somehow dangerous to drive slippery, tiny roads at ponds in search for Stints.
Just before the rain paused, I managed to find them and later during the day to get really nice photos and hearing their special call "zip-zip-zip".
So, relatively good numbers of waders were VAN VAN 575, PLU SQU 1, PLU APR 34, CHA HIA 14, TRI GLA 2, TRI ERY 1, PHI PUG 48, CAL CAN 1, CAL MIN 3, CAL ALP 267 and GAL GAL 160.
On the fields next to Decostone close to Sakuciai I found a good flocck of staging geese: ANS ANS 900, ANS ROS 750, ANS ALB 350 and 8 BRA LEU.
Tomorrow I should write part of these records to LOD web but now only here, I suppose?

Šiandien Išlauže (nuleistas didysis tvenkinys):

Iš įdomesnių paukščių šiuo metu: 1 Teminko bėgikas, 1 tamsusis tilvikas, 3 upiniai kirlikai, 2 jūriniai ereliai.

O šiaip daugybė pempių, yra pilkųjų garnių, gulbių nebylių, daug didžiųjų ančių (ypač šalimais esančiam tvenkiny). Kuoduotosios antys, mišrūs kryklių būreliai. Rudagalviai, sidabriniai, paprastieji kirai.

Deja spėjau apžiūrėt tik dalį tvenkinio, nes reikėjo neplanuotai lėkt į Kauną, tai nespėjau ir pasisveikint tikriausiai, kad su Egle (taip spėju) Manau, ji išsamiau parašys kas tvenkiny buvo.

Bijau,kad kazka supainiojot,as siandien Islauze,deja,nebuvau .Bet,gerai pagalvojus,zinau,kas ten buvo .Ateity nepainiokit,mes tokios nepanasios ...

Tada atsiprašau (tiesiog pagal forumą susidariau vaizdą kas dažniausiai Išlauže lankosi ir spėjau), bet kadangi niekada "gyvai" matęs nebuvau, tai manau atleistina Šiaip ar taip, kad paukščius stebėjo ornitologė, tai faktas ir būtų įdomu sužinot ką matė

Na gal Milda grįžusi pati parašys

Gal ir neparasys,nes kol kas turi labai ribota priejima prie interneto .Bet kuriuo atveju,mane visur isduoda "vizitine kortele"-baltas labradoras.

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Buvau dar prieš porą valandų iki Novaraisčio nulėkęs, tai pusvalandžiu pavėlavau ir visos gervės jau sutūpę buvo + apsiniaukę, tai sunkoka įžiūrėt ir įvertint kiek jų yra, bet pagal garsą panašu, kad nemažiau kaip pernai. Taigi, jeigu kas planuojat sekančiom dienom apsilankyt, tai reikėtų būti bent jau 18:30.

Šiandien nuo Kauno 4 km link Klaipėdos iš savo darbovietės turėjau proga stebėti sakalą keleivį , išties įspūdingas ir didesnis nei įsivaizdavau paukštis.

One questions the geese about: is it ANS ROS A.fabalis rossicus?

Liutaurai, argi neaišku - Kristeris turėjo omenyje Anser rossi

cia beveik ne bajaris, rex Pries nemazai metu, kai as dar buvau jaunas, grazus ir dirbau LOD , mes su Kristeriu is tikruju nagrinejome viena jo stebejima, tiksliau jo padarytas zasies nuotraukas, kurioje buvo nufotkintas paukstis (is l. toli, blogom salygom ir pan.). Kristerio manymu tai buvo Anser canagica arba gal Anser rosii. kadangi is tikruju labai sunku buvo iziureti pozymius, tai ir palikome ta pauksti "likimo valiai', nes bijojom suklysti del anser caerulescens. Taciau A.rosiii gali buti kad ir bus kada Lietuvoje pastebetas.. ypac jei skandinavai savo medziokles ukiuose juos prades veisti arba birdwatcheriu skaicius ir kvalifikacija augs tokiais paciais paselusiais tempais, kaip ir paskutiniais metais

Common now, Rex, hope you are joking. You perfectly know that I mean Anser (fabalis) rossicus. The reason why I leave out "fabalis" is that I don't find rossicus and fabalis as two very similar looking (sub)species. As far as I know there are going on some serious discussions of splitting these two, at last. In Lithuania the situation is completely different than it used to be 10-15 years ago when rossicus seemed to be in minority against fabalis and now the situation is the other way round. During the past few years, I don't remember having seen fabalis in big quantities (I will study this subject later and maybe for a publishment) and as for this flock, there were not a single one.
It would be interested to compare the geese counts now and in 90's. If I remeber correctly there was an article in VR annual journal about "What Geese are staging in Delta" by Jusys a long time ago. Maybe that could give some perspective to the dramatic species change and quantity explosion of Lithuanian Geese numbers in 2000's.
Now, it is good to keep an eye (and collect records, hello LOD) on BRA LEU in order to notify the increase of this species also in our country. Also BRA RUF and ANS BRA seem to be more or less regular now as migrants as there were only a few records before this millenium.

thanks, Krister, for good summary of your findings on two subspecies, I mean fabalis and rossicus. Actually, the situation in Lithuania never been clear on this topic. My personal experiense, that fabalis is not so rare on Birveta in spring time, but big numbers becomming quite rare during the last years because of no spring flood on Dysna river. In general, fabalis is much rare across whole Europe and has a big conservation values, especially, staging areas with bigger numbers. general opinion here, in Lithuania was that fabalis more common is E part of LT and even forming staging in bigger numbers. Zuvintas was an example, but for me this is not proper information. So, Krister, I am asking an advise from birdwatchers, because seems that now it is the only way to get realistic data. if we will find such stagings, I will do my best to get the legal conservation of those sites. What do you think?

Litauras, you are correct, even in Southern Finland, Estonia the number fabalis is decreasing whilst in Northern Finland fabalis is still practically the only Bean Goose seen on migration. There is an assumption, partly documented, that fabalis is an early and fast, not staging migrant whereas rossicus is landing and spending a longer time arriving also later to LT. Actually my record about rossicus now was a real surprise because up to this time I thought that autumn Beans are few and mostly representing fabalis. This is supported by my records from earlier autumns about both migrating and staging Geese. The changes are really fast and would be interested to get info of the situation in wintering locations.
By the way, my record of the possible rossi or whatever it was made from close distance and the report I made at that time (1997) to LOFK was including a detailed drawing and a request to find a proper identification which, how else, never was made by the Committee.

Still, Litauras, remember that ANS ERY (EU's listed threatend sp.) requires a special treatment and protection because now it is proved that at least some individuals are migrating and staging in Nemunas Delta. I fully agree upon the special case of fabalis declining and giving space to rossicus. Why LOFK wouldn't start to collect records of it?!!!!!

You are welcome back with your observation from 1997, because we are speaking a new species for Lithuania about. I remember that story and seen for blanket, however, not me was able to ask the opinion of the experts who knows northern goose species quite well. As far as me remember you presented the photo the quality of which was quite bad. So, Krister, shell you try once more?

I know, but the Official conservation measures sometimes also need some bureaucratic steps. O ne of them is criteria for the legal conservation. For ANS ERY the criteria is 5 individuals, and me, of course, waiting a lot of those few but more than 1 bird. Till now we will able just to stop bird hunting in Delta what, I think, is very important step and we had reached it very hardly having in mind that several parlament members used Rusne for hunting. Concerning fabalis, nobody think that this subspecies is so rare as need to register each observation. But if yopu think so, please let uz know and we will able to include this subspecies into the list. However, it is clear that very important to know more the staging areas about. me personally know the only such place - Birveta, but not every spring (in case of good and early floods). At the same time the general opinion was that in Zuvintas almost all bean geese are f.fabalis. Is it true or not, I don't know. But Antanas is working there. So, I am trying to get answer from him. Then, Raseiniai. You know that there are a lot of geese staying for night in the fishponds, but nobody reported the subspecies about. So, Krister, a lot to do for qualified birdwatchersv and good luck for you all

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Na tikrai "topinė" stebėjimų vieta! Preliminariai planuoju sekmadienį būti Vilniuje, tai norėtųsi ir į Vokę užsukt...Ar reikia prieš važiuojant su savininku susisiekt (Kiek atsimenu kažkur buvo rašyta apie tai, bet dabar neberandu)?

Taip,reikia susisiekti su direktorium,kaip,beje,ir visur kitur .